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14 May 2010 @ 06:01 pm
Ask the Oracle.  

So. Finale last night. A lot of people are not pleased. (Duh, always.) I think I'm in Nirvana, but don't let that cloud your objectivity. If you didn't understand what went down last night, click the cut text. Imma asplain it to you. It may sound like I know what I'm talking about. If that is going to bother you, skip it.

I'd like to address some people's complaints specifically, so this isn't an episode review. That is going to be for blacklid to do, and it is going to be amazing, watching her show you how all the building blocks fit together and how this was, in fact, the way it was supposed to go down ALL. ALONG.

These are in no particular order.

1) Chuck is God.

God is EVERYWHERE. He's been there, with them, ALL ALONG. Watching over them, making sure they had the tools (And the people) they needed to get the job done. Yes, in the end, God is the one who writes the story. And He used Chuck as his mouthpiece. And then Chuck was no more, for God took him. (Enoch, anyone? Elijah? Is this thing on?) All year any time anyone has asked us who God is - is He Bobby? Is He Cas? Is He John? We always just say 'Yes'. Why? Because God is EVERYWHERE.

It was brought up to me that God was in the future as well, if God was Chuck. That person's response to that idea was, 'What a bastard! He was there and He didn't DO anything!' My response to that would be of COURSE He knows the future - He's GOD. Why should He need to do anything in a future that He knew would never happen? 

On the meta of Kripke/Chuck/Fandom being God: YES. That's the POINT. How long ago did blacklid change her journal tag to 'Never trust the storyteller, only trust the story.' ? He flat out said that most of all, it was about Sam and Dean, and their choices, which we've been screaming to people for 2 years now. They chose family. That's what it's always been about.

2) Plotholes.

Things that are plotholes: A whole bunch of stuff that nobody remembers from back in s1. I won't even bring them up b/c nobody remembers them anyway and THEY DON'T MATTER.

Things that are NOT plotholes: The amulet. How Sam got out of the pit. If that is really Sam or not. (It is, btw.) Bobby's demon deal. Sam's powers not having anything to do with the demon blood.

3) The car had a more important role than Dean, and it wasn't Dean, but the memories tied to the CAR that broke through to Sam in the end.

Dean IS the car. He's always been. When it's dirty, he's lost inside. When it's clean, he's clear-minded and focused. When it's broken, he's broken. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A METAPHOR/MIRROR FOR DEAN. Look at it this way - there were 3 brothers and 3 vessels on that battlefield. The impala is DEAN'S vessel.

It was Dean that got through to Sam. 100%

4) Making Adam the vessel cuts Dean out of the mytharc, and Michael and Lucifer didn't even fight!!

If that's what you think, you've been paying attention to the wrong mytharc. SAM and DEAN had the final confrontation on the battlefield, because that's how it was always meant to be. This story was NEVER about Michael and Lucifer, it was ALWAYS about Sam and Dean. Show did a great job throwing people off, but they never forgot their heart. So, Dean was the Michael figure even though he wasn't actually Michael. He did what Michael couldn't do - he chose his brother over his 'destiny'.

As for Dean's role in the mytharc of Sam and Dean, he did what only HE could do.

All season this season has been about growth and growing up and letting go. SAM had to let go of his anger and pride and learn humility - because humility is the OPPOSITE of everything that LUCIFER is. And he did learn. THE PROBLEM is, when Sam says he's the least of any of them, he believes it. And while it shows his humility, it lacks his confidence in himself, which is the other critical component needed to beat Lucifer. THIS IS WHAT DEAN DOES.

Dean gives Sam the confidence he can't have on his own. Dean's faith and trust and loyalty COMBINED with Sam's determination and good heart is what broke through the wall and overthrew the devil. If Dean hadn't been there, Sam never would have been able to take his body back. Dean is CRUCIAL to what happened. And for Dean's part, he was unable to give that to Sam until he reached the point where he could let go of Sam and give him the freedom to choose for himself.

It's BEAUTIFUL and if you don't see it - well. You were watching the wrong half of the show.


5) John needed to come back, dammit!

I'll be the first to say that if John had come back I would have flailed off the couch. But John coming back would have had no bearing on the outcome. NONE. Every single supporting character was stripped away. Bobby - the father figure in John's absence - ultimately had NO BEARING on the outcome. It was about Sam and Dean and what they chose, and that is IT, and that is all it was EVER going to be.


Uh - NO. If there was no s6, Sam and Dean would have gone into that pit together, saved the world, and never come back. DUH. Don't make me smack y'all with a spoon.


Because. EVERY FINALE THE BROTHERS END UP APART. Come on, guys. Don't you watch this show? Even when they are standing physically right next to each other, they are still worlds apart. IT'S THE RULES.

8) How could Dean just drive off and not even TRY and not CRY OR ANYTHING and LEAVE SAM THERE!!

This just makes me stare flatly at my screen like I could set it on fire with my brain.

If you can't take one look at Dean and see that he's totally shattered, if you weren't listening when Chuck said that all Dean wanted with every fiber of his being was to die or to save Sam, then I can't help you. Know why he didn't? They say it out loud - BECAUSE HE PROMISED. He OWES Sam that much. And it's not like everytime they refuse to let go things get WORSE, or anything. *headdesk*

All season we've seen Dean slowly admit to himself that he wants a normal life. The last few years we've seen them slowly unveil that Dean pushes the idea of a normal life on Sam because that's what he wishes HE had, so he wants it for Sam, too, but Sam wasn't that person anymore. When Dean told Sam at the end of 3.16 to keep fighting, THAT is who Sam BECAME. Because he PROMISED. Now it's Dean's turn, but Sam sees what Dean only just recently admitted to himself - that Dean COULD be happy with a family and a picket fence. And now it's Dean's turn.

The whole end of the season the question kept coming up, 'Can't or won't?'. When Sam died the first time, don't think for a second that Dean brought him back because he 'can't' live without him. It was always, ALWAYS 'won't' for Dean. Sam made his decision and sacrificed himself to finish what started with him when he was born, and he was asking Dean to turn his 'won't' into a 'will'. And Dean is.

Don't get mad at him for that. Don't you dare.

9) But Lisa?! Why didn't he stay with Bobby? And why is the rum Cas gone?

Because Bobby was there and he knows everything, and he knows how badly Dean wants to save his brother, and he'll know how suicidal Dean is, and if Dean stays with him, HE WOULD CAVE. In that environment there would be NO WAY Dean could even TRY to keep his promise to Sam. Plus, the wounds would be far, far too raw to stay. Sometimes you need distance. A fresh start.

Please do not let me hear that suddenly you all hate Lisa, either. Back at the end of 17 it was all zhomgyay Lisa. Can we just focus on the fact that FINALLY, there is someone who at least marginally knows what happened, and who Dean really is, and who's willing to pull him in and hug the crap out of him and let him cry and tell him that it will be okay!? *wrings out keyboard* CAN'T WE JUST LET HIM HAVE THAT FOR TWO SECONDS!? 

Now, as for Castiel - LOOK. I know everyone wanted him to be a human and ride shotgun while Sam was gone and whatever else, but HE WANTS TO BE AN ANGEL. And now he is again, and what's missing here is people realizing that God has rewarded him THREE TIMES for doing the right thing - for having Faith in Dean, a human - faith strong enough to feel it was worth defying Heaven for, and that is something that Michael could not do.

Michael is in that Pit right now because he couldn't put Free Will over Destiny. Cas became human in the first place SO THAT HE COULD BE FREE TO EMBRACE FREE WILL AND HELP DEAN EXECUTE HIS PLAN TO REACH SAM. Cas got to go WHERE ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD. And now, his faith and power have been renewed. Knowing Castiel as we do, how could we be so selfish as to not want those things for him? 

I personally would have liked Cas to stay dead for more than one commercial break - but eh. Whatever. I do love the guy and I'm glad he's an angel again. I'm looking forward to having a Friend Up There next season, and I doubt we've seen the last of him. <3Cas.<3

10) Who even WAS that at the end?

SAM. Fer Gawd. *smacks*

That's it for now. Sorry if this got ranty. I'm still highly emotional and probably a tad hungover. This finale was everything - EVERYTHING that we were ever promised. I couldn't be prouder of everyone involved in rl, but irrationally I'm the most proud of Sam and Dean, and I'm spending today with them. Have a good summer, everybody.


Blacklid's review post.

ETA: Wow, I was not expecting anything near to this level of responses. Thank you all so much for reading and commenting. I'm getting ready to fly home tomorrow, so it may be a bit before I get to answer all of you, but one of us WILL answer everyone, I promise! :D
Fetish ~ # 1 Die-Hard Dean Girl & Misha fan: D&S HUGZdeans_fetish on May 14th, 2010 10:13 pm (UTC)
You're awesome! :)

It's a lid and it's black.: AntiJensenButtChecker v3.0blacklid on May 15th, 2010 10:31 pm (UTC)
Yes, she is. But there wouldn't be anything to say about it if SHOW wasn't EVEN MORE AWESOMER.
Trobadora: Castieltrobadora on May 14th, 2010 10:18 pm (UTC)
Hee! Excellent post. :)
It's a lid and it's black.: Blind Angelsblacklid on May 15th, 2010 10:31 pm (UTC)
I'm going to be recycling a lot of this later. *nods solemnly*
Paigekate_mct on May 14th, 2010 10:19 pm (UTC)
*bows to you* ROCK ON!!! This is SO what I've been thinking all day! You rock!
It's a lid and it's black.: Badasseryblacklid on May 15th, 2010 10:45 pm (UTC)
*makes the peace sign*
Laurenjabber_moose on May 14th, 2010 10:19 pm (UTC)
I would like to offer you my first born.

Thank you for this. You were able to voice what needed to be voiced, without coming off biased.

This was incredible. Thank you again
It's a lid and it's black.: OoDeLallyblacklid on May 15th, 2010 10:41 pm (UTC)
Oh hell, we are TOTALLY biased! SAM AND DEAN FOREVER. (I've lost track of who said what first! Only erinrua knows, as she was subjected to the drunken ranty versions on the phone, LOL)

OH WAIT. Are you talking to me or to tahirire? Because if we are taking on a kid, we might need to get married first.
Ebru: Dean Winchester - Ramble Onpaceyringwald on May 14th, 2010 10:19 pm (UTC)
I came here via dean_sam
And I don't know you but I think I'm in love with you! ^__^ THIS to everything that you say! :)

"The impala is DEAN'S vessel." IF people looked closely, they could see that even if Dean was going with Bobby then Lisa, the front mirror was not shattered but cracked. And can we say the same thing for Dean? I think we can. :)

I liked you beloved Sam!Girl. :)
It's a lid and it's black.: BoxBoy is Sadblacklid on May 15th, 2010 10:44 pm (UTC)
Re: I came here via dean_sam

*srs face* You have a good point, though. It looked pretty much just like his face.
borgmama1of5borgmama1of5 on May 14th, 2010 10:21 pm (UTC)
I agree with you completely but ESPECIALLY #4 & #9.

I couldn't have said it any better. Thank you.
It's a lid and it's black.: Angels Rawkblacklid on May 15th, 2010 10:33 pm (UTC)
You are welcome! The response has been a bit overwhelming, honestly. (the fun of sharing a brain and a post is that I get to play in the comments...hehehehe)
soldierlysoldierly on May 14th, 2010 10:21 pm (UTC)

I love you. This was--EVERYTHING I wanted to say to people.

It's a lid and it's black.: *are staring into each others eyez*blacklid on May 15th, 2010 10:54 pm (UTC)
It's nice to know that there's a lot of us who truly enjoyed everything that this story has been!

And there is much more to say about it. We are just getting warmed up!
One Girl Revolution1grl_revolution on May 14th, 2010 10:23 pm (UTC)
Well written! (Now I just need to catch up on all the episodes I've missed!)
It's a lid and it's black.: Batman Does Not Share His Bouncy Ballblacklid on May 15th, 2010 10:55 pm (UTC)
I can't begin to be able to envision seeing them out of order. You have a mind like a steel trap.
c.alwaysenduphere on May 14th, 2010 10:31 pm (UTC)
coming back later to spam you with a comment on 6,8, and 10 when I am not at work and can articulate properly without the phone ringing every two seconds.

But I'm terribly proud of Sam and Dean today as well!
It's a lid and it's black.: Turtle Boyblacklid on May 15th, 2010 11:03 pm (UTC)
*glomps you*
pandora's curiosity: SPN// Impala; brothershold_onhope on May 14th, 2010 10:31 pm (UTC)
THIS. WORD. I started copying parts to respond to and I would have ended up agreeing with every sentence, so, YES. I love you.

Michael is in that Pit right now because he couldn't put Free Will over Destiny. Cas became human in the first place SO THAT HE COULD BE FREE TO EMBRACE FREE WILL AND HELP DEAN EXECUTE HIS PLAN TO REACH SAM. Cas got to go WHERE ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD. And now, his faith and power have been renewed. Knowing Castiel as we do, how could we be so selfish as to not want those things for him?

This, I'm of two minds. First, THANK YOU for addressing Michael. I was appalled at him while watching the episode - not at the way he was written, but at the way he is. He couldn't give up on his supposed destiny because he's an angel who can't comprehend free will. And he abhors Lucifer for choosing to have free will. (Now, I don't agree with Lucifer's methods, but you can't deny that by rebelling against his Father he was choosing his own path over destiny, and that's what pissed Michael off so much.)

I only have one slight problem with Cas being an angel again. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree that he wants to be an angel and has been rewarded. But I was hoping/expecting him to remain human as a reward. Humans were God's favorite, no lie, and free will was their greatest gift. And since the show has always been about humanity, I thought maybe Castiel could be rewarded for choosing to have faith in Dean by getting free will for himself.

That could be my own personal thoughts, though, and like you said, Castiel is happy as an angel. And I want him to be happy. I don't want him to disappear forever, though. Obviously Dean is not okay, and if Castiel learned anything at all, it's that he has a soft spot for that boy. He's Dean's angel, no turning back.

Other than that, I agree so much about SAM AND DEAN and not Lucifer and Michael. Especially about Dean's part in all this. Going into this episode, I was so confident that Sam would finally, finally make the right choice - family, Dean - and he did, and I was ecstatic. I love my Sammy. I was SHOCKED to see people complain that Dean had no part in this. Dean was EVERYTHING. Sure, Sam's memories took place in the car. But the car represented home and Dean and the best part of his life, which he finally was able to realize. And it saved the world. And I could not be happier with that. ♥

Thanks for this. Sorry I got so wordy!

Edited at 2010-05-14 10:33 pm (UTC)
krisreinkekrisreinke on May 15th, 2010 02:23 pm (UTC)
I think Castiel now has free will
Castiel isn't going back to heaven to obey God. He still doesn't know where God is or what he wants - but now Cas is fine with that. Cas is going back to his brothers because they are in a mess and - while unlike Sam he didn't cause the mess (much) - he is still going to be the one to fix it.
In a way, I see it like a virus - uploading freewill into the higher realms.
(Or like some strange Christ figure. Cas decended, died, and was resurected - except that this time it wasn't to redeam man - it was to redeam heaven. ) And he did die at Gogatha ( When I first saw the sign I misread it as 'sKull cemetary') and between two thieves.
Re: I think Castiel now has free will - hold_onhope on May 15th, 2010 04:31 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: I think Castiel now has free will - tahirire on May 15th, 2010 11:34 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: I think Castiel now has free will - blacklid on May 16th, 2010 12:05 am (UTC) (Expand)
acts like a twat, but she's a top banana: [SN] bitchy!deanharwhon on May 14th, 2010 10:32 pm (UTC)

i agree with you on all accounts, but i agree with you more on this:

Uh - NO. If there was no s6, Sam and Dean would have gone into that pit together, saved the world, and never come back. DUH. Don't make me smack y'all with a spoon.

it's called build-up, people. preparing for season six. of course, they wouldn't end the series with sam dead and dean with a woman. srsly.

i realise i don't know you, but i love you for making this post.
Not Quite by Firelight: Jared - LMAOtahirire on May 15th, 2010 11:35 pm (UTC)
LOL, your icon made me snort soda up my nose. WOOT! *highfive*

Thanks for reading!
babel99babel99 on May 14th, 2010 10:35 pm (UTC)
*delurking for a second* Thank you!
Not Quite by Firelight: Jared - I see yootahirire on May 15th, 2010 11:35 pm (UTC)
Oh hai! And you are welcome!
Veronica: SPN - looking toward our daysaelrindel on May 14th, 2010 10:36 pm (UTC)
YES, just YES. Especially #3. And everything else.

Everything you wrote is just perfect. Like everyone else is saying, thank you for posting this.
Not Quite by Firelight: Dean - warriortahirire on May 15th, 2010 11:36 pm (UTC)
You are so welcome, thanks for reading!
tabaqui: s&db&wprofilebyobaonatabaqui on May 14th, 2010 10:37 pm (UTC)

Yes. This. For god's sake, people, all you people out there bitching and moaning and whining. STOPPIT.

Excellent. :)
*still over the moon*
Not Quite by Firelight: SamnDean - &tahirire on May 15th, 2010 11:40 pm (UTC)
Thanks again, hon. ;)
Queen of the May: Impalamini_moue on May 14th, 2010 10:39 pm (UTC)
Eggsactly!!! ;-)
Not Quite by Firelight: SamnDean - &tahirire on May 15th, 2010 11:40 pm (UTC)
Thanks for reading! Has it really already been 2 days? I'M STILL DEAD, I TELL YOU! :D